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Oct 24^th, 2010 at 10:17pm

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Has anybody else seen this? The first episode is probably the best TV pilot I've ever seen. A brilliant adaptation of Doyle's A Study in Scarlet that prefectly captured the sessence of the Holmes and Watson characters. The choices made in bringing them to the 21st century are all great, from having Watson still coming home from serving in Afghanistan, to Holmes preference for texting rather than making phone calls (which to me seems utterly true to the character).

I've been a have of actor Benedict Cumberbatch since he played Pitt the Younger in the film Amazing Grace, and of course Martin Freeman is terrific as always (seeing him in this has me even more excited to see him play Bilbo Baggins). I've still never seen a single episode of Doctor Who (and may or may not ever get around to it), but I now have great respect for Steven Moffat as a writer. This is the best thing I've seen on televsion in a long time. I very eagerly await the second episode, and hope that Cumberbatch and Freeman's buregeoning film career's don't kill future seasons.

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Reply #1 - Oct 26^th, 2010 at 12:52pm

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Yes yes yes! And the other two are even better!

And Benedict... Oh I could drink that man.

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Reply #2 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 2:54pm

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I've been interested in watching this too! Where are you guys finding it online?

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Reply #3 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 7:47pm

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The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

I've been interested in watching this too! Where are you guys finding it online?

They're watching it on PBS. PBS is playing all three over three successive weekends. So far 'dem folks, I'm presuming, have only seen the first one, but the other two are just as good or better.

If you need it online, PM me.

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Reply #4 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 9:00pm

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The ad after the show said they were on DVD. I'll definitely be buying these.

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Reply #5 - Oct 28^th, 2010 at 1:17am

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Silent Knight wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 9:00pm:

The ad after the show said they were on DVD. I'll definitely be buying these.

I have them on pre-order for my mother. I managed to get her interested in them too.

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

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Reply #6 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 9:40pm

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I don't think that I liked the second episode BETTER than the first, but I probably liked it just as well. I really wish there more than 3 episodes.

I think one of the great strengths is that they don't get too hung up on or self-congratulatory about gimmicks involving modernizing it. The stories and characters are the center of it, not the time period in which it takes place (which the writers quite rightly point out is true of the original Doyle stories as well).

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Reply #7 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 10:29pm

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Silent Knight wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 9:40pm:

I don't think that I liked the second episode BETTER than the first, but I probably liked it just as well. I really wish there more than 3 episodes.

I think one of the great strengths is that they don't get too hung up on or self-congratulatory about gimmicks involving modernizing it. The stories and characters are the center of it, not the time period in which it takes place (which the writers quite rightly point out is true of the original Doyle stories as well).

Wait till next week.

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

As long as I don't bleed or cry, I'll do it!

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Reply #8 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 11:01pm

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Mister Grinch wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 10:29pm:

Silent Knight wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 9:40pm:

I don't think that I liked the second episode BETTER than the first, but I probably liked it just as well. I really wish there more than 3 episodes.

I think one of the great strengths is that they don't get too hung up on or self-congratulatory about gimmicks involving modernizing it. The stories and characters are the center of it, not the time period in which it takes place (which the writers quite rightly point out is true of the original Doyle stories as well).

Wait till next week.�

I'm very excited.

I intend to buy these on DVD, but there's a nostalgic thing for me in watching there on PBs as part of "Mystery" which reminds me of eagerly awaiting new installments of the Jeremy Brett series. Watching this makes me giddy in the same way that the latest Star Trek movie did.

Again, I'm just really afriad that Cumberbatch and Freeman are getting too in demance for Season 2 to happen. Cumberbatch just wrapped Steven Spielberg's War Horse, and, is moving on to to a play, and Freeman is, of course, doing two Hobbitt movies. Thrilled to see these guys attached to films I'm so eagerly awaiting, but I didn't think I coould still get this addicted to TV drama. I want as much Sherlock as possible.

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Reply #9 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 9:30pm

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For some reason, I blame Mister A for the fact that the series ends there.

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Reply #10 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 9:40pm

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Silent Knight wrote on Nov 7^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

For some reason, I blame Mister A for the fact that the series ends there.

I think I know why. I blamed me too.

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

As long as I don't bleed or cry, I'll do it!

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Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2010 at 4:53pm

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It was a great cliffhanger ending, it's just that, as I've mentioned before, I question the likelihood of getting the actors back together for another season.

I loved the tweaked literary references on this episode, like "I am lost without my blogger."

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Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2010 at 5:44pm

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Silent Knight wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

I question the likelihood of getting the actors back together for another season.

Oh that's already a done deal.

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

As long as I don't bleed or cry, I'll do it!

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Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 7:41am

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Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 5:44pm:

Silent Knight wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

I question the likelihood of getting the actors back together for another season.

Oh that's already a done deal.

That was BEFORE Martin Freeman signed on to spend the next couple of years tromping through New Zealand/Middle Earth, starting in January. When can they fit this in?

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Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 9:01am

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Silent Knight wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 7:41am:

Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 5:44pm:

Silent Knight wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

I question the likelihood of getting the actors back together for another season.

Oh that's already a done deal.

That was BEFORE Martin Freeman signed on to spend the next couple of years tromping through New Zealand/Middle Earth, starting in January. When can they fit this in?

True, but the word I heard is that it proved so popular in Britain that I doubt they'd give up on it so easily.� I'm sure he'll arrange his schedule.
Edit: In fact, the DVDs were just released today, and they're already backordered by a month on Amazon. Dumb Me for not pre-ordering...

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

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Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 10:24am

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Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 9:01am:

Silent Knight wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 7:41am:

Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 5:44pm:

Silent Knight wrote on Nov 8^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

I question the likelihood of getting the actors back together for another season.

Oh that's already a done deal.

That was BEFORE Martin Freeman signed on to spend the next couple of years tromping through New Zealand/Middle Earth, starting in January. When can they fit this in?

True, but the word I heard is that it proved so popular in Britain that I doubt they'd give up on it so easily.� I'm sure he'll arrange his schedule.
Edit: In fact, the DVDs were just released today, and they're already backordered by a month on Amazon.� Dumb Me for not pre-ordering...

You're talking about the DVDs of Season One, right?

I agree, the producers wouldn't want to give up on it easily, but a lot depends on whether Freeman and CUmberbatch are under contract. Freeman's Hobbit commitment is huge, and while Cumberbatch has finished shooting War Horse, he's got the new film version of John Le Carre's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and playing Dr. Frankenstein on the London stage before he can get around to Sherlock again.

We'll see what happens. At the very least, I expect a bit of a wait.

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Reply #16 - Nov 16^th, 2010 at 1:38pm

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Watched the first episode of this last night. Paused it in the middle and insisted that CanadaAlex watch it along with me. By the end, we were both squeaking and squealing and being generally fangirly.

I think it's safe to say we'll be continuing on here. Grin

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Reply #17 - Nov 16^th, 2010 at 3:26pm

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I've downloaded them all, but my computer cratered during the first one and is currently being re-imaged, so it will be a few days before I get to watch these.

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Reply #18 - Nov 16^th, 2010 at 9:19pm

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I DVRed these onto my hard drive while they were broadcasted on PBS. In HD, baby! For free!!

Great stuff. I can't wait to talk more about it once y'all are caught up.

Particularly the last scene of the last episode....

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Reply #19 - Nov 16^th, 2010 at 9:43pm

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Cheeky Monkey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 9:19pm:

Particularly the last scene of the last episode....

Right??

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Reply #20 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:40am

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Ohhh you guys. I really disliked the second episode. I'm about to start the third one and my hopes are still high, but I was so, so dismayed.

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Reply #21 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 3:18am

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Okay, I liked the third one more. The first is still my favorite by far, but I REALLY liked the third one a lot. Especially the last ten or fifteen minutes... oof. so good. THAT LAST SCENE.

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Reply #22 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:39am

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The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:40am:

Ohhh you guys. I really disliked the second episode. I'm about to start the third one and my hopes are still high, but I was so, so dismayed.

Racism?

There is one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart - if you value your continued existence - if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow there is one thing you never EVER put in a trap.� Me.

Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

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Reply #23 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:55pm

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Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:39am:

The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:40am:

Ohhh you guys. I really disliked the second episode. I'm about to start the third one and my hopes are still high, but I was so, so dismayed.

Racism?

The rampant Orientalism, yup. I get what they were trying to do/go for/recreate/homage, but just... it was a miss for me. For me, the episode derailed the mission of bringing Sherlock Holmes into a modern capacity by using outdated, narrow-minded, and silly depictions of Chinese culture and characters. I know that the "mystery of the Orient" was a big theme in Victorian literature, and I understand they were paying homage, but by the time I was halfway through, I was sort of dropping my head into my hands a lot.

There were good bits though! I just liked the first and third episodes much, much better.

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Reply #24 - Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 9:56am

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I'm through the first two, now that my computer has been restored, the MKV files that were Sherlock were converted to much more digestible (for my computer) MPEGS and burned to DVD, so my comp won't fuss over any aspect of it...

I loved the first episode, and this series hit at a perfect time, as there's a little bit of the Doctor in Sherlock's character and that's easing me through to the Christmas episode. I love the updating, while at the same time getting to wink at all the modern updates to the old stories (I'm your landlady, dear, not your housekeeper). The mystery was good, but I wanted to know at the end if both pills were poison and he'd developed an immunity, or if one was safe, like he said.

The second episode was OK... when the acrobat was revealed in the circus scene, I could only think, "we've found our grease-man." One thing I liked a lot about this episode was how much Watson was really contributing to the case, rather than just sitting back and marveling at Holmes' genius, despite there not being a real need for his medical opinions.

I'm planning to watch the third tonight, so more tomorrow.

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The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Mister Grinch wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:39am:

The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:40am:

Ohhh you guys. I really disliked the second episode. I'm about to start the third one and my hopes are still high, but I was so, so dismayed.

Racism?

The rampant Orientalism, yup. I get what they were trying to do/go for/recreate/homage, but just... it was a miss for me. For me, the episode derailed the mission of bringing Sherlock Holmes into a modern capacity by using outdated, narrow-minded, and silly depictions of Chinese culture and characters. I know that the "mystery of the Orient" was a big theme in Victorian literature, and I understand they were paying homage, but by the time I was halfway through, I was sort of dropping my head into my hands a lot.

There were good bits though! I just liked the first and third episodes much, much better.

See you're the first person I've read who made it make sense. I know a lot of people in areas I hang out on the internet were screaming about that - race!fail - but I couldn't see what they were objecting to. I mean, I see it's being stereotypical, but I always assume that when shown a stereotypical person that it's just them being that way, and we're not privileged to see other examples in the confines of that particular story. Mostly I just roll my eyes and get bored. So though I got their point, I didn't know why there was weeping and wailing and gnashing. Holmes and Watson weren't themselves racist - the creators were just shortsighted.

But as you say, it was a perhaps misguided homage, and though I can appreciate that homage, the area they left unexplored, or interestingly-adapted to modern society. I don't know - I guess that's why people I hear from about it undefinedly like it less than the other two.

But yes, #3 was goo-hood.

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Listen, I don't know what sort of kids you've been flying around with in outer space, but you're not telling me to shut up!

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Reply #26 - Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 8:46pm

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So #3 was pretty good, if not a bit predictable (too much into the genre), though the ending was pretty cool with the stand-off.

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Reply #27 - Nov 23^rd, 2010 at 10:19am

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I agree that episode 1 was probably my favorite of the three

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Okay, the stand off. Seriously, wtf? And not a fan of the guy who plays Moriarty. What's with the weird voice??

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Reply #29 - Nov 26^th, 2010 at 11:26am

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Benedict Cumberbatch reminds me a LITTLE TOO MUCH of someone I once (moreorless) dated. But then I remember that BC is shorter than SIO(MOL)D, so it's good. Still weird, though...

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FRANta Claus wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Benedict Cumberbatch reminds me a LITTLE TOO MUCH of someone I once (moreorless) dated.� But then I remember that BC is shorter than SIO(MOL)D, so it's good.� Still weird, though...

OMGSH! I know exactly who you're talking about, Fran!! It gave me the heeby jeebies in some scenes!

Glad I wasn't the only one. Grin

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P.S. wonder what he's up to these days....

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Cheeky Monkey wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 4:02pm:

FRANta Claus wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Benedict Cumberbatch reminds me a LITTLE TOO MUCH of someone I once (moreorless) dated.� But then I remember that BC is shorter than SIO(MOL)D, so it's good.� Still weird, though...

OMGSH! I know exactly who you're talking about, Fran!! It gave me the heeby jeebies in some scenes!

Glad I wasn't the only one.� Grin

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P.S. wonder what he's up to these days....

Did this guy sound like Alan Rickman at times? Because I though Cumberbatch did, at least by the second episode.

I wonder if Cumberbatch was one of the runners up for Doctor Who, and was given this role as a consolation prize?

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