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Jun 24th, 2010 at 9:24pm

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So......if you have already committed to a show, do you stick with it? What are some circumstances in which you will quit a show? Or that you morally feel ok telling a director, thanks for the couple of rehearsals....ummm....but no thanks?

I am having a very very hard time sticking with a show I was cast in, but I was also taught that if you accept a role it is like signing a contract. I really really want to do this show, but I just don't know if I can keep up the facade of being ok with things.

So, when can you quit a show? And would you ever quit a show?

This of course is excluding deaths, marriages, and births of your own kids.
 

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Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:37pm

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Only In Las Vegas wrote on Jun 24th, 2010 at 9:24pm:
This of course is excluding deaths, marriages, and births of your own kids.

See, I wouldn't consider marriage to be a valid reason for quitting, because that's something that is usually scheduled and controllable.

But anyway.  Yeah.  Quitting shows.  Have wanted to a time or two, but always stuck it out.  The best suggestion I can make is to talk to the director.  Maybe the director will be able to help make things better somehow, maybe the director has been wanting to get rid of you as much as you've been wanting to get out of the show.  Who knows?  But we all know that the theater world is pretty small, and if you quit, word might get around that you're difficult.  So you can really be the only one to judge whether the benefit of getting out of the show is worth the risks of becoming uncastable.  It also depends on how far into the process you are, I think.  If, as you say, you're only a few rehearsals in, maybe the long-term effects won't be as bad.  But yeah.  Trying to make it work first, and then deciding for yourself is all you can do.  But if you do quit, do it soon so the director can find someone to replace you.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:46pm

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Oh, and I think that new jobs that prevent you from attending rehearsals and/or performances are valid reasons for dropping out of a show.  Since your actual question was what we thought were valid reasons, not what we think you should do.
 

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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 7:39am

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Depends on what you're dealing with as reasons you want to quit.
I personally have never quit a show, I always end up sticking it out and even if it sucks - at least I get a good reputation of being dependable.  And one time - others had quit the show and I ended up with a bigger part because I was one of the few left who stuck it out.  Was it worth it?  I don't know - but I now have a good part on my resume because of it. Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 9:38am

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As a director and producer (Producing Director?), I'm often expecting someone to quit the show. My usual rule is, if you're quitting, you find your replacement for me. Overall, please tell me you're quitting.

Are there valid reasons to quit? Of course. You might lose your job if you don't quit, because they changed your hours and aren't sympathetic to your situation. Your spouse is threatening to leave you because of the show (happened on a show I was working on... I got his part. It was great). Your health is in decline because you're burning the candle at both ends. You have a family emergency that will take you out of the state.

Not valid reasons to quit a show:

You're not happy with the production team/cast/etc. Talk to the director, privately about your concerns. Often these are things that can be fixed. Also, happiness (i.e.: fun) is a state of mind, so suck it up and remember, the performance is the fun part.

You suddenly find out you're going to miss a rehearsal or a performance night. Don't quit! Talk to the director or producer and see what you can work out. We had an actress quit on us 2 weeks before opening, because she was going to miss one night's performance. Evidently she never heard of understudies or even considered we could go dark for that one night.

I'm sure I could think of more, but those seem to hit the two sides. everything else is often a shade of grey to me, like getting cast in another show in a bigger and better role. This seems like a cut and dried, "you accepted this part, so you stick with it," but as an actor I can understand that opportunities don't always knock on your door like that, and if you can find me a replacement, please, go forth and do what you need to do. That is, unless we have you under contract. If that's the case, not a good idea to quit.
 

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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 10:23am

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Swami wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 9:38am:
You suddenly find out you're going to miss a rehearsal or a performance night. Don't quit! Talk to the director or producer and see what you can work out. We had an actress quit on us 2 weeks before opening, because she was going to miss one night's performance. Evidently she never heard of understudies or even considered we could go dark for that one night. 


I'm sure that's a big reason why theaters double cast roles. It's nice for the actors cuz you can swap around dates if you need to.
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:01am

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I pretty much agree with Swami. I admire your professionalism in being so concerned about this.

A big question for me would be, what exactly are the consequences of you sating with the show? Is it just a bad experience (lack of professionalism of the production, cast, director, etc), or is there a more serious problem?
 

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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 12:50pm

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I think the reasons listed for quitting a show are valid. Illness, to me, is pretty valid-- for example, I've got this chronic undiagnosed pain thing (blahblah shut up Kaylee) and it cost me a performance once. Cost me a lot of good feelings between me and my fellow castmates, too.

But I also did another show during the worst of it and stuck it out. I don't know how good my cast felt about me at the end, but I stuck it out. I've seen people go through worse situations than I did and perform beautifully, but I still think sometimes that even actors need to take a step back and take care of themselves.

Bad reasons for quitting the show: you hate the pro team, you hate a cast member, you're feeling pissy about production values, whatever. Talk to the director about your concerns, sure, but pretty much suck it up. The show's not going to last forever-- a few months at the most-- and you made a commitment. Be professional and do what you have to. Shine in spite of whatever you think. (Taking my own advice, stat.)  Wink
 

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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 1:31pm

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I quit the Dicken's Festival once.� The first rehearsal was clearly a reunion of regulars and their extremely rowdy children.� The acting exercises consisted of lying on the gym floor of a church and doing some kind of... weird role playing that did not have to do with the show.� When I and a couple of others were reticent to participate we were reprimanded publicly for our attitude.�

While I don't deny the charges, I wasn't rolling my eyes, or throwing a tantrum. I was simply minimizing my participation and sitting to the side.� I was an adult wearing nice clothes, and it felt much more like amateur acting class than a production.� I'm not exactly proud of leaving, but I don't beat myself up over it either.� I just realized I should have done my homework before auditioning, and I'm very glad not to have wasted my holiday season doing that show.
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 1:37pm

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I would also like to add (for a little self-redemption) that I agree with what has been said here, and with the exception of the above mentioned show in which I had no specific role and quit after a single rehearsal, I have never ever quit any other show.

For Dicken's I knew I was not leaving anyone in a bad position (other than depriving them of my substantial talent  Roll Eyes).  All of the other terrible shows I've been in, I gave my 100% and saw them through.
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 1:54pm

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I was once in a show (single cast) where, during rehearsals, we went through 5 or 6 guys being cast in one particular role.  I really don't know why, it was a great theater and a great cast, and the part was a very good role.  I never heard the reasons why the actors quit after accepting the role.  But it got to where it was just funny.  The guy who finally performed the role did a great job, though. 


This story has no bearing on anything, other than that I happened to think of it just now.
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:02pm

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Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:01am:
A big question for me would be, what exactly are the consequences of you sating with the show? Is it just a bad experience (lack of professionalism of the production, cast, director, etc), or is there a more serious problem?�


It is a couple of things at this point.

We have been told we have to pay $25.....for what? It has not been said yet, but that was not announced at auditions. Also, we have to sell 20 tickets, again, not something that was announced.

The lack of professionality is huge. The thing is though it is not the cast! I love the cast! They are hugely talented and sweet!

However, I received a phone call last night from the dance captain calling to see if I was serious about the show, because I had missed the past three rehearsals.......rehearsals that were not on the rehearsal sheet (so I picked up some shifts at work) and I received a text message 10 min prior to the rehearsals starting each day, pretty much saying, "suprise! we have rehearsal". When I tried to explain to the DC the problem I had with the rehearsal schedule being changed she said, "I have to get back inside so bye".

We were told we were going to be emailed a schedule and we still have not. There is no stage manager so there is no way to really communicate anything to anyone. There is more but there is not enough room. lol!

This is a show that I have been dying to do and I really wanted to do one last show before I moved, but if I am so angry by the time it is rehearsal time, and crying on the way home from rehearsal is it really worth it? This is supposed to be fun! But if there is no order and no responsibilty it is hard to have a great time, and the phone call was pretty much the last straw.

I have never ever quit a show, I have always stuck with it. But at this time in my life more tears is not what I need.

Thank you though for all the words of advice, it really is helping me in making my decision, plus, this is something I have always been curious about.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:17pm

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Only In Las Vegas wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:02pm:
Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:01am:
A big question for me would be, what exactly are the consequences of you sating with the show? Is it just a bad experience (lack of professionalism of the production, cast, director, etc), or is there a more serious problem?�


It is a couple of things at this point.

We have been told we have to pay $25.....for what? It has not been said yet, but that was not announced at auditions. Also, we have to sell 20 tickets, again, not something that was announced.


However, I received a phone call last night from the dance captain calling to see if I was serious about the show, because I had missed the past three rehearsals.......rehearsals that were not on the rehearsal sheet (so I picked up some shifts at work) and I received a text message 10 min prior to the rehearsals starting each day, pretty much saying, "suprise! we have rehearsal". When I tried to explain to the DC the problem I had with the rehearsal schedule being changed she said, "I have to get back inside so bye".



These are reasons to quit.
 

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Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
Only In Las Vegas wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:02pm:
Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:01am:
A big question for me would be, what exactly are the consequences of you sating with the show? Is it just a bad experience (lack of professionalism of the production, cast, director, etc), or is there a more serious problem?�


It is a couple of things at this point.

We have been told we have to pay $25.....for what? It has not been said yet, but that was not announced at auditions. Also, we have to sell 20 tickets, again, not something that was announced.


However, I received a phone call last night from the dance captain calling to see if I was serious about the show, because I had missed the past three rehearsals.......rehearsals that were not on the rehearsal sheet (so I picked up some shifts at work) and I received a text message 10 min prior to the rehearsals starting each day, pretty much saying, "suprise! we have rehearsal". When I tried to explain to the DC the problem I had with the rehearsal schedule being changed she said, "I have to get back inside so bye".



These are reasons to quit.


And leaving a burning bag of waste on the steps of the theater.
 
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Dexter the Halls wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
Only In Las Vegas wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:02pm:
Silent Knight wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:01am:
A big question for me would be, what exactly are the consequences of you sating with the show? Is it just a bad experience (lack of professionalism of the production, cast, director, etc), or is there a more serious problem?�


It is a couple of things at this point.

We have been told we have to pay $25.....for what? It has not been said yet, but that was not announced at auditions. Also, we have to sell 20 tickets, again, not something that was announced.


However, I received a phone call last night from the dance captain calling to see if I was serious about the show, because I had missed the past three rehearsals.......rehearsals that were not on the rehearsal sheet (so I picked up some shifts at work) and I received a text message 10 min prior to the rehearsals starting each day, pretty much saying, "suprise! we have rehearsal". When I tried to explain to the DC the problem I had with the rehearsal schedule being changed she said, "I have to get back inside so bye".



These are reasons to quit.


And leaving a burning bag of waste on the steps of the theater.

Yeah, I agree. It sounds like they're making it kind of impossible for you to do your job properly?

Normally I'd say stick it out, but fees piss me off to NO END and the selling tickets thing is just bullshit.

That, and you're not psychic. It wasn't on the schedule? They didn't announce it ahead of time/ask if it would be okay? That time is not theirs, and they have no claim to it, and they especially have no right to get huffy when you point that out. You have a schedule for a reason, and it's not your fault if they didn't put together an adequate one. It's the same reason I feel like calling people outside of work hours for something work-related is a serious violation. You're on your time, not company/show time.

Have you talked to the director?
 

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Reply #15 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 3:20pm

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I say give them an ultimatum. Like, if you don't get a schedule by a certain time, you're sorry but you'll have to pull out because of work demands.
 

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Reply #16 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 4:43pm

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The Kaylee and the Ivy wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 3:13pm:
Have you talked to the director? 


That is part of the really bullshit thing. While the dance captain/cast mate was talking to me the director was standing right next to her. So at no point did the director try and speak to me or want to speak to me. She had one of the cast mates do her dirty work. The only reason why I know she was right there was because the DC kept saying, *insert directors name* she wants to know what the schedule is for tomorrow, and, *insert directors name* she says she emailed the producer about the times........
 

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Reply #17 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 4:56pm

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The "contract" works both ways. based on what you say, it soundls like they have broken the contract, and you are no longer bound by it.

Nothing bugs me more (maybe not even as much) in theatre as theatres which hide behind the concept of "professionalism" to treat the actors poorly and then expect loyalty from them.
 

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Reply #18 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 5:02pm

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Well...if we're still looking at "accepting a role" like it is "signing a contract"...

When you accept a part and figuratively "sign a contract" by doing so....it implies that the theatre with which you are making the contract has given you all the info you need to make the commitment.� �This includes solid rehearsal dates, performances, fees that need to be paid, etc.� Most professionally-managed theatres provide an audition packet for this very reason.

It's understandable (sometimes) that performance dates/rehearsals have to be changed...but this also means that the theatre is changing their part of the "contract"....which means it is void and that you are no longer "bound."�

I would just talk to the director and explain that you accepted the role before the rehearsal schedule was changed.� I don't think the director would hold it against you or black list you for having to leave the show under these circumstances.
 

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You did right in quitting. It would have gotten worse and worse as time went on! I am a director and the first rule in directing is GET A SCHEDULE...DON'T WASTE TIME. And the at the same time TREAT YOUR CAST LIKE HUMANS.
 
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Reply #20 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 9:22am

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That sounds like a bad situation. If you have been in the play for a few weeks and it doesn't seem like their act is going to come together, then I'd say quitting is okay. Just say that you are having problems coming to the rehearsals on such short notice. They need to be respectful of your time, especially if you are volunteering your time without pay.
 
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That's what's so funny about the whole thing. She's paying them.
 

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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2010 at 8:41pm

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I did end up quiting. I just couldn't get the bad taste out of my mouth from everything that had gone down. I ended up emailing the only email addy we were given ( a lady in charge of our conflicts) and wrote out a very professional letter. I stated my reasons on quiting and that this was a show I had been dying to be in and was sad to be leaving. I was very clear in my reasons for doing so.

I actually got an email back from the Producer which I was quite shocked for receiving. She apologized profusly (sp?) and asked me to reconsider resigning and that if I didn't end up coming back she wished me all the best.

Probably the best "breakup" I have ever experienced. And although I really am sad to not get to perform one last time in Utah, and not in such a groovy show as this one, I don't regret my decision at all.

Thanks everyone for your help and in put on the matter. I really do appreciate it.
 

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